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FreedommbThu Mar 07, 2013 10:00 pm
Ok fair enough, I didn't know. Like I said I'm new, I'm trying to learn, I figured that the remote mount cooler would be better but I your saying its not then that's fine I'll run the regular doghouse one. It's not a big deal. And thank you modok that explains why the duals work better. Because of the port size on the castings. That makes sense to me. And as for the mismatched parts that's why I made this thread to get some ideas about what parts will work best together. I Dont want to end up with a bunch of random ass crap on my car but i dont know what parts work best together cause ive bever built an engine before. Let alone an acvw motor. Ive been on this Site like 24/7 since imade the account Trying to figure everything out. I'm already looking through the dual carbs and stuff because you guys are saying that they will work better.

[emailprotected]Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:04 pm
remote coolers are fine IN ADDITION TO THE STOCK COOLER. Replacing the stock cooler with an external one is a common rookie mistake.

FreedommbThu Mar 07, 2013 10:05 pm
Well, I AM a rookie. Thank y'all for clearing that up for me, I got the point use the normal cooler.

KIDSPEEDThu Mar 07, 2013 11:46 pm
I think you would do well to go to aircooed.net & do some reading there if you haven't already. Like I said before, I have no desire to discourage you or anyone else about aircooled VWs.

That being said, unless you are dead set on jumping in with both feet & building your own performance motor from scratch, I think you maybe should consider purchasing a longblock from a known reputable source. The problem here may be cost. A pro built stroker 2110 will run easily into the thousands. The reason for this is the same reason why I think that if you want to build your own you ought to consider a non-stroker for your first build. There is more work/know how to building a stroker (not to mention the parts -crank/rods- cost more).

I believe you should consider a 1914cc (yes, 94mm pistons) whether pro built or home built. If you are really freaked out by the 94 p/c then get the thick-walled 92s & build an 1835. Use a quality counterweighted 69mm crank & properly rebuilt & balanced rods at a minimum. 125 hp is achievable with this combo but you need to decide where do you place the most importance. High MPGs/reliability/longevity or Max HP/fun/run with the V8 big dogs.

If your budget will not accomodate $5-$600 worth of heads & $5-$600 worth of carbs, then stay smaller/milder & build an 1835 (thick wall) with no bigger than an Engle 110 cam & stick with your proposed progressive single carb or dual Weber ICTs or Kadrons. This will yield 90-100 HP & decent fuel economy if built & tuned correctly. If the need for more speed is still there then the same shortblock can accept more head & carb when funds allow & put you at or near your goal of 125 HP.

If you can afford it & the MPGs are of less concern then build a 1914 with dual 44s, ported 40x35 heads (minimum) at least 8.5 compression, Engle 120 cam, 1 1/2" merged header & lightened flywheel. This will not have V8 torque (more like a big Stroker) But more of a peaky high revving engine (like Twin cam inline 4).

Don't be too afraid of the 94 pistons. They are better than you are probably giving them credit for & even if they only last 40-50,000 miles instead of the 80-100,000 that you would hopefully get out of the thicker 90.5 or 92s, they are relatively easy to change & only $160.

Now, If you are going to launch it hard against your V8 pals & drive it with gusto you better plan on some dinero for Transmission & brake upgrades :shock:


FreedommbFri Mar 08, 2013 12:40 am
Yes we'll thanks. That's the kind of information I wa looking for about the 2110. Y'all have used god knows how many combos of heads cam ect and I haven't. I'm very confident ill figure out how to assemble it. If anything at the very least ill make the 1904 I was thinking about before. I was hoping to tap into y'all's vast knowledge about this but it seems I can't give too much of an opinion. Ill just sit back and keep reading and based on what y'all tell other people (which y'all seem to not have a problem doing) ill make my decisions

Thanks again gentlemen I appreciate the effort.
Hope I don't come off as too large of an a$$ hole, sorry if I do.


KIDSPEEDFri Mar 08, 2013 2:20 am
Hey, none of us was born knowing this stuff. We all got to start somewhere & while there are many ridiculously experienced expert air-cooled mechanics on here I'm not one of them. Don't let me or anyone else discourage you from attempting to get what you're after & certainly not from asking questions. I'm not knocking you for having an opinion or asking questions so if I made you feel uncomfortable in any way I am the one who apologizes.

There are dizzying #s of combos out there & as a newbie I was suggesting tried & proven, affordable & more straightforward engine builds to get your feet wet with.

To me the low end grunt of added Stroke is unmatched by any standard 69 stroke combo. Even so called "baby" strokers that use 74/76 cranks make noticeable, usable extra torque through the entire rev range. Many people don't like the small 74/76 strokes & refer to them as bastard strokes however. While they take less clearancing (grinding away) of the internal webbing of the engine case, more attention must be given to achieving proper piston deck height, pushrod length, & proper rocker arm geometry (among other things). Because of this ,some feel the gains are not worth the hassle & either stay with a standard stroke or go with the "go big or go home" thinking that "if your gonna stroke it...Stroke it"

Assembling an engine correctly takes mechanical inclination, following procedures, the right tools & parts, & yes a good mentor is a huge bonus. Building a stroker will take additional patience, time, machining, measuring, attention to detail, & oh yeah-money! What gets really discouraging is putting your high dollar motor together & having catostrophic failure shortly after from something that was missed, overlooked, or forgotten.

VW engines ain't rocket science but most probably start rebuilding a stock engine or 2 before moving on to performance flat 4 territory.

Hope this is more helpful than not. -Laurence


FreedommbFri Mar 08, 2013 2:42 am
Your right, I'm just stubborn. I get my mind set on something and it's like tunnel vision from there. All this started cause i have no clue what maintinence was done on my 1600 and I didn't want to build off of shitty internals(top end rebuild) I do need to start with something simpler. And a reliable 1776 or 1835 is probobly a good way to go. I have 0 clue how to set up rocker geometry I was planning on learning as I went.

sactojesseFri Mar 08, 2013 10:53 am
1970 was the last year for the non-doghouse cooler, so if you still have the original cooler, it's time to convert to a doghouse system. That should be enough for your desired application. That 6-pass cooler you linked is a bypass cooler that requires removal of your stock oil cooler. Not good. If you want to add an auxiliary cooler (which I don't think you'll need), the proper way to do it is to retain the doghouse cooler and full flow your case.

FreedommbFri Mar 08, 2013 12:01 pm
Thank you, I'm gonna have to buy the new doghouse piece because I'm assembling the motor while the one in my car is still running then I'm just moving over the alternator valve covers ect, ill have the majority of the parts new. What do y'all think about me buying a new doghouse, and cooler and running it on my 1600 until I'm ready to put it on my other motor? Is that a bad idea?

FreedommbFri Mar 08, 2013 12:02 pm
My car is a 70 which explains that, though I already knew lol

SniperxFri Mar 08, 2013 5:05 pm
Don't go big on the exhaust. I'm running a 2110 in my bus and it was tuned to 135hp. I am using a 1.5 inch A1 sidewinder and its plenty....theres turbo guys around here running 300hp+ and using 1 5/8...I figure my engine is just fine. I'm also getting about 30mpg and CHT numbers under 300 on the highway.

flemcadiddlehopperFri Mar 08, 2013 7:30 pm
Sniperx wrote: Don't go big on the exhaust. I'm running a 2110 in my bus and it was tuned to 135hp. I am using a 1.5 inch A1 sidewinder and its plenty....theres turbo guys around here running 300hp+ and using 1 5/8...I figure my engine is just fine. I'm also getting about 30mpg and CHT numbers under 300 on the highway.

What carb/ induction set up do you have on that for that kind of mileage (impressive)?
Do you find the A1 exhaust overly loud for a daily driver, or is it loud and you just like it that way?

gordo.


SniperxFri Mar 08, 2013 8:31 pm
Cb magna efi running 48mm throttle bodies and 14.3:1 air fuel ratio. Full camper with RDx boxes, 15" tires, 3.88rp, and 82 4th. Before I went efi I was running 40dels and hit 25 on the freeway. I had it tuned initially at drd racing whose dyno is known to be very conservative.

The a1 is on the louder side of things, but I'm running a super trapp on the end to cut some sound. I'm having a new setup made now out of stainless that puts the exhaust past the bumper rather than resonating under the car. Should be pretty badaass...egt probe, o2 sensor, case evac all stainless throughout. The egt will let me do some pretty tight tuning and I expect to see 32 maybe as high as 35 mpg....maybe.


mchn13Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:03 pm
Freedommb wrote: Your right, I'm just stubborn. I get my mind set on something and it's like tunnel vision from there. All this started cause i have no clue what maintinence was done on my 1600 and I didn't want to build off of shitty internals(top end rebuild) I do need to start with something simpler. And a reliable 1776 or 1835 is probobly a good way to go. I have 0 clue how to set up rocker geometry I was planning on learning as I went.

man as long as you have a competent machine shop nearby, do it. build a stroker. its not much more effort than a stock stroke motor imo.
i built my first 2180 after having only built one stocker before that. i was younger, and collected the parts a piece or two at a time to assemble the block, and got 90% of it used. case, crank, heads, webers etc....
that 82mm cb crank is still standard and about to go in its second motor. maybe i had good luck, but i was able to build a pretty solid 2110 on the cheap(ish)


Arnolds64Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:51 pm
I had a single 40 Weber on mine when I bought my car. Drive ability is not good. Most can never get the flat spot out at the idle circuit to mains. I bought the Weber manual and did all the mods to help this and it still had a slight dead spot. In a Buggy that is light no biggie in a sedan not so good. Yes you can buy a used set of carbs. Any can be rebuilt for for 20.00 a carb with kits from www.webercarbsdirect.com. I would go 44's if you can. Good mid size carb that is very flexible. Stroker will need more carb to run well. I also ran mild Engle 110 cam with 40 IDF's. A 2110 with this combo would be fine but you will not outrun Camaro's and such with it. I am currently running a 2017 with an Engle 130 and 44's. Most people here will tell you this is too radical. Well, it is very well mannered and will pound on most earlier camaro's and hang with the new gen Mustang GT's and SS cars. Strokers need large cams. What is huge in 1776 is milder in a even my smallish Stroker. Heads are very important. I am running just some 40 x 35 043 Mexican heads that I have hand ported myself and done chamber work. The Los Panchito's would be fine and similar to what I have now with my work. If you can go bigger in the valves that may be even better - 42 x 37's? CB's 044 Magnums are 280.00 each. But you would have to do some porting.

Send the case to Rimco for clearancing. It is so light just send it by UPS it is pretty cheap for shipping. Just pack it well. Cost you about 150.00 for the machining. Have it opened for the pistons as well. Then....Send it to my friends at one of the best shops for VW engines. It is in Kansas City to build your case out. Vee Village. They have been doing this for 35 years. They have a great machine shop and the proper tooling for our cars. Not all shops have this.
Buy your crank, pistons, cam and a new case kit with the all the nuts, Relief Valves. Then send it to them. Have them build it to where the rods are hanging out or a short block and assemble it yourself. This will save you a lot of money. Freight should not be to bad from TX. My engine probably has 10k on it since and still runs very strong.


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